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	<description>Brad J Ward's Thoughts on Higher Education Recruitment</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Staton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Staton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you that there&#039;s more to gain from treating these web conversations as, well, a conversation to take part of.  

I also have a post on Web 3.0 here
http://www.edumorphology.com/2008/07/education-30-what-web-30-means-for-education/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you that there&#8217;s more to gain from treating these web conversations as, well, a conversation to take part of.  </p>
<p>I also have a post on Web 3.0 here<br />
<a href="http://www.edumorphology.com/2008/07/education-30-what-web-30-means-for-education/" rel="nofollow">http://www.edumorphology.com/2008/07/education-30-what-web-30-means-for-education/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’ve really enjoyed the past couple of posts and the comments on this one - thanks everyone.

Just a couple of quick points:

1) Call it what we will Web 2.0 / 3.0 – people have conversations, where they have them is irrelevant
2) Like it or not our students (and anyone who comes in to contact with our brand) are potential ambassadors – some will be negative, hopefully more will be positive but likely even more will remain silent
3) These ambassadors will help develop our brands around what’s relevant to them and to their friends, utilising their own networks and tools
4) Our content will be developed for us (especially if we can enable this to happen) but we can’t expect to control it (in terms of quality of content or messaging) so it will often jar with an official line that we may want to take 
5) How we engage with the content could be crucial to our success or failure.

Now a couple of questions because apparently, we (collectively) are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.umassd.edu/cmr/studiesresearch/cmrblogstudy3.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;good at this sort of thing&lt;/a&gt; 

1) We will still have our own official content but how can we fit it in to relevant conversation spaces?  Related to this is how do we enable our content to allow it to be used.
2) What should our strategy be to manage the unofficial content?
3) Once we have classified this unofficial content (if this is necessary) how do we disperse it - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.heavywinter.com/2008/12/link-journalism/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link journalism&lt;/a&gt; (or some future equivalent)? If so what editorial policy should we run?
4) What are the related issues – SEO and content management immediately come to mind – but what else will be affected?
5) Finally what sort of content is going to be the most crucial for us, is it lots of surface information or do we less but deeper content?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve really enjoyed the past couple of posts and the comments on this one &#8211; thanks everyone.</p>
<p>Just a couple of quick points:</p>
<p>1) Call it what we will Web 2.0 / 3.0 – people have conversations, where they have them is irrelevant<br />
2) Like it or not our students (and anyone who comes in to contact with our brand) are potential ambassadors – some will be negative, hopefully more will be positive but likely even more will remain silent<br />
3) These ambassadors will help develop our brands around what’s relevant to them and to their friends, utilising their own networks and tools<br />
4) Our content will be developed for us (especially if we can enable this to happen) but we can’t expect to control it (in terms of quality of content or messaging) so it will often jar with an official line that we may want to take<br />
5) How we engage with the content could be crucial to our success or failure.</p>
<p>Now a couple of questions because apparently, we (collectively) are <a href="http://www.umassd.edu/cmr/studiesresearch/cmrblogstudy3.pdf" rel="nofollow">good at this sort of thing</a> </p>
<p>1) We will still have our own official content but how can we fit it in to relevant conversation spaces?  Related to this is how do we enable our content to allow it to be used.<br />
2) What should our strategy be to manage the unofficial content?<br />
3) Once we have classified this unofficial content (if this is necessary) how do we disperse it &#8211; <a href="http://www.heavywinter.com/2008/12/link-journalism/" rel="nofollow">link journalism</a> (or some future equivalent)? If so what editorial policy should we run?<br />
4) What are the related issues – SEO and content management immediately come to mind – but what else will be affected?<br />
5) Finally what sort of content is going to be the most crucial for us, is it lots of surface information or do we less but deeper content?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Rivera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Rivera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea of too much content is an interesting one. On the one hand, you can drown in it without some way to sift through it or make sense of it as Julia notes above. On the other hand, wow, isn&#039;t this a great problem to be stuck with? I&#039;d much rather edit down a lot of content to end up with a smaller, but higher quality amount (not that more = better, but it easily could). The other option is to figure out a way to create great content given the small, overworked team I work with that&#039;s under deadline and supervised by people who may not get it.

Also, you never know what site visitors will regard as good content or bad content. A grainy YouTube video may not pass muster with a university&#039;s marketing police, but it might be awesome to an 18 year old. Who knows? Better to offer it up via an embedded piece or a text link or a Twitter pointer or whatever else. Put it out there and see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of too much content is an interesting one. On the one hand, you can drown in it without some way to sift through it or make sense of it as Julia notes above. On the other hand, wow, isn&#8217;t this a great problem to be stuck with? I&#8217;d much rather edit down a lot of content to end up with a smaller, but higher quality amount (not that more = better, but it easily could). The other option is to figure out a way to create great content given the small, overworked team I work with that&#8217;s under deadline and supervised by people who may not get it.</p>
<p>Also, you never know what site visitors will regard as good content or bad content. A grainy YouTube video may not pass muster with a university&#8217;s marketing police, but it might be awesome to an 18 year old. Who knows? Better to offer it up via an embedded piece or a text link or a Twitter pointer or whatever else. Put it out there and see.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia Kaganskiy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia Kaganskiy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think John&#039;s point about using the information intelligently is a really important one to consider. Yesterday, I spent about an hour on the phone with a college counselor who was taking a look at Unigo.com and letting me know his thoughts on it. He had a lot of great things to say about the site but was concerned about the potential of the user being flooded with information (not a problem yet, but could potentially be, when the site takes off...and yes, I said when, not IF. gotta keep the eyes on the prize! haha). 

Anyway, my point being, that in today&#039;s information age, we are often encountered with the problem of TOO MUCH information--that&#039;s why you see the emergence of all these recommendation sites like Digg and Stumble and info aggregators like Google Reader--people need help keeping up with all the information that&#039;s available to them now, but also a way of canceling out the &quot;noise&quot; and weeding through the inevitable gunk that can accrue. 

I think in Web 3.0, wherever it may take us, emphasis should be placed on the QUALITY of content and information, because clearly we have no idea amassing an astounding quantity of info. Finding ways to locate the most helpful, the most useful, the most pertinent information and then helping the user to process it should be a priority. 

Anyway, those were just my 2 cents. Hope they were coherent, LOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think John&#8217;s point about using the information intelligently is a really important one to consider. Yesterday, I spent about an hour on the phone with a college counselor who was taking a look at Unigo.com and letting me know his thoughts on it. He had a lot of great things to say about the site but was concerned about the potential of the user being flooded with information (not a problem yet, but could potentially be, when the site takes off&#8230;and yes, I said when, not IF. gotta keep the eyes on the prize! haha). </p>
<p>Anyway, my point being, that in today&#8217;s information age, we are often encountered with the problem of TOO MUCH information&#8211;that&#8217;s why you see the emergence of all these recommendation sites like Digg and Stumble and info aggregators like Google Reader&#8211;people need help keeping up with all the information that&#8217;s available to them now, but also a way of canceling out the &#8220;noise&#8221; and weeding through the inevitable gunk that can accrue. </p>
<p>I think in Web 3.0, wherever it may take us, emphasis should be placed on the QUALITY of content and information, because clearly we have no idea amassing an astounding quantity of info. Finding ways to locate the most helpful, the most useful, the most pertinent information and then helping the user to process it should be a priority. </p>
<p>Anyway, those were just my 2 cents. Hope they were coherent, LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: John Cass</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Cass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the mention on your post. I think web 3.0 is not just about pulling content but also being able to describe what content you pull, so that you can use the information intelligently. (may need to update my definition). Is there any information all colleges need from students that they could create, and by collaborating the colleges would benefit themselves, the students and each other?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the mention on your post. I think web 3.0 is not just about pulling content but also being able to describe what content you pull, so that you can use the information intelligently. (may need to update my definition). Is there any information all colleges need from students that they could create, and by collaborating the colleges would benefit themselves, the students and each other?</p>
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		<title>By: Karlyn Morissette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karlyn Morissette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s already what Web 2.0 is about.  Universities just choose not tot embrace it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s already what Web 2.0 is about.  Universities just choose not tot embrace it.</p>
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		<title>By: Robyn McIntyre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robyn McIntyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that &quot;Web 3.0&quot; is going to be about more intense collaboration. If an entity such as a university doesn&#039;t take a willing part, they&#039;ll end up taking an unwilling part. As Ben Franklin said, &quot;Drive your business, or your business will drive you.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that &#8220;Web 3.0&#8243; is going to be about more intense collaboration. If an entity such as a university doesn&#8217;t take a willing part, they&#8217;ll end up taking an unwilling part. As Ben Franklin said, &#8220;Drive your business, or your business will drive you.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently introduced the concept of CMS 3.0 based exactly on this reality...that &quot;content&quot; doesn&#039;t reside just on our websites anymore: http://collegiatewebsolutions.blogspot.com/2008/11/introducing-cms-30.html.

If an institution has a strong brand and positive reputation, makes it easier to incorporate user-generated content from other sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently introduced the concept of CMS 3.0 based exactly on this reality&#8230;that &#8220;content&#8221; doesn&#8217;t reside just on our websites anymore: <a href="http://collegiatewebsolutions.blogspot.com/2008/11/introducing-cms-30.html" rel="nofollow">http://collegiatewebsolutions.blogspot.com/2008/11/introducing-cms-30.html</a>.</p>
<p>If an institution has a strong brand and positive reputation, makes it easier to incorporate user-generated content from other sites.</p>
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		<title>By: Cody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t like the phrase Web 3.0 (or Web 2.0 for that matter).

Your right though. Businesses and institutions (i.e., schools) are losing control of their image online. They will be better off in the future working on their &quot;product&quot; than trying to convince people to buy into what they&#039;re selling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like the phrase Web 3.0 (or Web 2.0 for that matter).</p>
<p>Your right though. Businesses and institutions (i.e., schools) are losing control of their image online. They will be better off in the future working on their &#8220;product&#8221; than trying to convince people to buy into what they&#8217;re selling.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Rivera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Rivera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a silly example of the &quot;our content&quot; point of view. I&#039;m fairly new at my university (11 months on the job) and when I came across all the videos about our school at collegeclicktv.com, I forwarded the link to my boss to see whether they knew about it or not. My boss sent it to his boss who more or less said they weren&#039;t going to fight it. They didn&#039;t like that the site didn&#039;t get approval to make the videos, but the quality was good enough and admissions said it might be beneficial so they let it go.

They wouldn&#039;t fight it? What would they have done- a cease and desist letter? A lawsuit? I don&#039;t know the legalities of making and posting videos made on the grounds of a university, but even if it can be legally stopped, I can only imagine the kind of bad press the school would get for doing so. 

Fighting this sort of content is a lose lose situation where both loses are on the university&#039;s side. First they lose an overwhelmingly positive stream of credible video testimonials from ordinary students. They next lose the public relations disaster whereby they are seen as Big Brother squashing the little guy for not parroting the officially approved talking points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a silly example of the &#8220;our content&#8221; point of view. I&#8217;m fairly new at my university (11 months on the job) and when I came across all the videos about our school at collegeclicktv.com, I forwarded the link to my boss to see whether they knew about it or not. My boss sent it to his boss who more or less said they weren&#8217;t going to fight it. They didn&#8217;t like that the site didn&#8217;t get approval to make the videos, but the quality was good enough and admissions said it might be beneficial so they let it go.</p>
<p>They wouldn&#8217;t fight it? What would they have done- a cease and desist letter? A lawsuit? I don&#8217;t know the legalities of making and posting videos made on the grounds of a university, but even if it can be legally stopped, I can only imagine the kind of bad press the school would get for doing so. </p>
<p>Fighting this sort of content is a lose lose situation where both loses are on the university&#8217;s side. First they lose an overwhelmingly positive stream of credible video testimonials from ordinary students. They next lose the public relations disaster whereby they are seen as Big Brother squashing the little guy for not parroting the officially approved talking points.</p>
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